This is a question that has always bothered me, because while I know that trading for an "ace" has paid off in getting a particular team to the postseason, i'm not quite sold on their ability to help a franchise to a World Series ring.In order to figure this out, i've compiled a small list of trades for "aces", but it's admittedly incomplete. However, I still wanted to post about it because I would like to be educated by anybody else out there who remember deals for an "ace" that either lead to the team succeeding or failing.
I think this is a highly pertinent question for the current Dodger squad, as this is a team looking to deal for parts that won't necessarily change the odds of making the postseason, but whose value will be derived directly from their ability to produce a World Series trophy.
So no, I don't know the answer to the titular question, and I know there are those out there who think I am harping on this topic a little too much, but I believe my "obsession" with this topic is warranted, especially because a huge deal like this would represent a large scale change for a first place team. Heck, even Jon Weisman over at Dodger Thoughts has been touching on the Roy Halladay subject daily since Bill Shaikin's article was published.
Anyway, on with my little list.
-Atlanta Braves Trade Doyle Alexander To The Detroit Tigers For John Smoltz
Alexander may have not been an "ace" to begin with, but he certainly performed like one after the Tigers traded for him to bolster their rotation.
In a little over a month and a half, Alexander started 11 games while posting a 1.53 ERA. In the postseason, however, he faltered, losing both games he started in the ALCS, and finishing with an ERA of 10.00.
Result-Lost In ALCS
-Seattle Mariners Trade Mark Langston And Mike Campbell To The Montreal Expos For Randy Johnson, Gene Harris, And Brian Holman
In a little over four months, Langston started 24 games and carried an ERA of 2.39. Unfortunately, the Expos still managed to miss the playoffs altogether, finishing the season at .500.
Result-Didn't Make Playoffs
-New York Mets Trade David Cone To The Toronto Blue Jays For Jeff Kent And Ryan Thompson
In a months time, Cone made 8 appearances and posted an ERA of 2.55. In the playoffs, he made a combined 4 starts in the ALCS and WS, going 1-1 with a 3.22 ERA.
Result-Won World Series
-Toronto Blue Jays Trade David Cone To The New York Yankees For Marty Janzsen, Jason Jarvis, And Mike Gordon
Cone started 13 games for the Yankees and had an ERA of 3.82. He ended up starting two games in the ALDS, going 1-0 with a 4.60 ERA.
Result-Lost In ALDS
-Seattle Mariners Trade Randy Johnson To The Houston Astros For Freddy Garcia, Carlos Guillen, And John Halama
In two months with the Astros, Johnson started 11 games and posted a 1.28 ERA. In the postseason, he started two games in the NLDS and lost both of them, but posted a 1.93 ERA.
Result-Lost In NLDS
-Florida Marlins Trade Brad Penny, Hee Seop Choi, And Bill Murphy To The Los Angeles Dodgers For Paul Lo Duca, Juan Encarnacion, And Guillermo Mota
Penny started 3 games for the Dodgers, posting a 3.09 ERA. However, he had to be shutdown for the year with arm problems soon after.
Result-Lost In NLDS
-Cleveland Indians Trade C.C. Sabathia To The Milwaukee Brewers For Matt LaPorta, Rob Bryson, Zach Jackson, And Michael Brantley
In almost a 3 month span, Sabathia started 17 games and possesed a sparkling 1.65 ERA. He lost the only game he started in the playoffs, ending with a 12.27 ERA.
Result-Lost In NLDS




13 Comments:
David Cone is one of the most underrated aces in history. That said, I think the teams that traded for him knew how good he was.
Interestingly enough, Coney is testifying on behalf of the majority in support of Judge Sotamayor's confirmation to the Supreme Court.
I always liked David Cone, despite the fact that he later became a Yankee. :o
I was actually ok with the success of that 1996 Yankee team, mostly because of how much I hated the Braves and that stupid Tomahawk Chop from their time in the old NL West.
Some memorable trades.
I think the Dodgers should take the chance on Halliday. At the end of the day, I don't think the Dodgers are going to part with the players Toronto will require.
Any opinions on Cliff Lee? Could he be a more realistic pick up for Ned?
http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2009/7/16/951767/could-the-dodgers-be-interested-in
Alireza-As a kid, all there was on television was the Braves on TBS. None of this digital cable shit. :o
Penos-They are going to want to start with Kershaw, and there is no way Ned is dumb enough to trade Kershaw. I think.
Lee would be fine. Another lefty though, and i'm not sure why the Indians would want to deal him yet either.
That division is up for grabs, and the Indians should be better next year, but I could see them trading him next year if they are out of it again. Now though? I bet they would have to be blown away, especially given that he is so cheap compared to his real value.
Kensai - Agreed on Halliday and Lee.
I think Ned will focus on the bullpen.
I want George Sherill. Now. Screw a starter, we only need 3 in the playoffs, and we Billz/Kersh/Kuroda.
Penos-I didn't think the Dodgers needed it before, but now I think they do. :o
2002: Expos trade prospects named Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips and Cliff Lee to CLE for then-ace Bartolo Colon.
Result: EPIC FAIL! Even though Bartolo became the first pitcher to win ten games for two teams in the same season, you kinda think the ExpoNats would like to have that deal back...
Excellent one. That was terrible. That's one of the worst of all time actually. :o
"As a kid, all there was on television was the Braves on TBS. None of this digital cable shit."
It was all about Channels 5, 9 and 13 showing a hell of a lot more games. That would be nice now since my fiancee hasn't bent on cable yet. But yeah, I hated the Braves on TBS, especially with their homer announcers and when they pre-empted professional wrestling :-P
das411 - Yeah, that was a horrible trade, but Minaya's hands were tied so tight, I still think he lacks circulation.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&page=starting9/090722
Thought you might like this. Goes along with what you are saying.
Just saw that. :o
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